About the Hosts

Bill Reel (left) and Radio Free Mormon (Right) have been deconstructing and discussing Mormonism for years.  They are trusted voices for getting at the heart of the matter within historical and doctrinal issues that others find so messy and troubling.  Both have led popular podcasts and both have contributed in serious ways to the conversations happening in Mormonism.

Bill helped served with FairMormon leading their podcast to win the 2013 Podcast Award in the religion category while also winning numerous Brodie Awards over the last 5 years.   RFM (Radio Free Mormon) won the 2018 Brodie Award for “Best New Podcast” and in 2019 won the “Best Podcast” Brodie Award.

Both have been featured Speakers at Sunstone Conference as well as other speaking engagements across the country.

6 Replies to “About the Hosts”

  1. Bill and RFM,

    I watched with interest the Mormonism Live podcast titled, “How Can it Not be True?”. Sitting here in my new home in Hopkinsville KY with my book laying by my side, “The North America Model for the Book of Mormon From Jerusalem to Cumorah” written in 2013 and published in 2020, I felt moved to answer that question.

    It is a book that has been the subject of over 50 PPT lectures across the country from Florida, to Maine, to Utah, and to multiple points in between, including at Palmyra NY during the Pageant for 5 years to almost universal positive reviews from people across the spectrum, including people from Central America and the Polynesian Islands.

    For a typical sampling of the reactions to the model, you can go to https://northamericamodel.com/ under the Reviews tab for comments by lecture attendees as well as by manuscript reviewers with highly respected academic credentials. I apologize that two of them are family, but they are of the highest professional integrity such as my brother, Dr. James E. Midgley, who was a tenured mathematics professor at the University of Texas at Dallas, now retired, and my brother-in-law, Dr. Ronald W. Walker, who was a BYU history professor, past president of the Mormon History Association and highly respected LDS author of significant cutting edge LDS history subjects such as “Massacre at Mountain Meadows” and “Wayward Saints”, unfortunately now deceased. Let us be honest. Would you not use them if they were interested?

    Also, under the “Lectures” tab is a link to a narrated video of that PPT lecture which provides a 1-hour summary explaining how The North America Model came to be and why it is compelling in its details. At the end of the PPT is a pitch for purchasing the book through Amazon, Barnes and Noble, and Walmart; but if you wish to receive a signed complimentary copy for your review, let me know some addresses; and I will be happy to send them to you as gifts.

    As a little background, I am a life-long member of the Church from the Jackson County MO area, the Center Place of Zion, born during the Depression of 4th generation Utah pioneer heritage through my dad whose convert grandparents immigrated to Utah from England in the 1850’s.

    I strongly recommend obtaining the book one way or another as it provides compelling material from Jerusalem to Cumorah covering the entire Book of Mormon using credible evidence for Lehi’s journey through Arabia with a fresh analysis of how it declares its historicity in a new way based on 21st century technology as well as evidence for the Book of Mormon beyond Arabia to, and in, the land of promise generated by secular bodies beyond Arabia post 1830, specifically without the shadow of the Book of Mormon hanging over their studies. Otherwise, their conclusions could have been compromised by wishing not to appear to be supportive of the Book of Mormon. In fact, some institutions such as the Smithsonian Institution proudly and forcefully declares that they have never used the Book of Mormon as a resource for scientific studies. The only problem is that a 1924 study commissioned by the Smithsonian Institution through their Bureau of American Ethnology conducted a study that unwittingly confirms a major element of the Book of Mormon of which I was not aware until the North America Model had been formatted based only on the scriptures.

    The book also has articles that address other issues such as DNA, who wrote the Book of Mormon, stone cities, concrete buildings, one or two hills Cumorah, limited geography models versus more expansive, precious ores and metals, etc. One subject not included since new material is constantly coming to light is the one on the issue of no horses in America before the Spaniards which everyone has known did not exist since they learned that in elementary school. You may find the following link to a 2009 article by a Native American historian on how the horse has been a part of Indian life long before Columbus sailed the ocean blue. In fact, Native Americans are offended by the idea that people think that they had to depend on Europeans to have horses.


    It does raise the question. How could any early 19th century frontier American author pull off this complex literary work that integrates geography from Arabia to the eastern half of the Unite States that 100% is confirmed by real facts on the ground rather than looking just like a map of Mordor without any intention of relating to reality. Thanks J.R.R. Tolkien.

    I thought that Joseph was focused on treasure hunting, chasing women, learning how to be a Methodist minister, traveling back and forth between Pennsylvania and New York, living both in a log house with 11 people and living in the home of others whose daughter he married, fabricating plates to show friends and neighbors, all while somehow formatting the original work without research or leaving lots of notes, maps, and papers of a work in progress laying around.

    Obviously, his skills were greater than just fanciful and lucky story telling in detail not yet discovered.

    I do not want to beat a dead horse; but HOW CAN IT NOT BE TRUE?

    Let me know if I can send you a book.


    William Peter Midgley


  2. Bill, during the Hoffman episode recently you mentioned that you wanted to ask Mark who was going to pay the $185,000 loan that was created at the First Interstate Bank. In Jerald Tanner’s book “The Mormon Church and the Mclellin Collection” they explain what happened.
    “The McLellin fraud cost Hugh Pinnock a great deal of money. He claimed that although he was not “legally obligated to the bank,” he felt morally responsible to pay back the balance of the $185,000 loan that Hofmann owed to First Interstate Bank.”

    It later goes on to say that (and I’m paraphrasing now) the church and Pinnock threatened Mark to pay back the loan or they would sue him and excommunicate him. Mark did come in with a check to pay the loan which bounced.

    Pinnock did end up suing Mark for more then $170,000 in the third district court.

    The part that was interesting though is from church historian Richard Turley’s book “Victims” that the Tanner’s quote:

    “At Wednesday’s news conference, Hinckley, Oaks, and Pinnock had all reaffirmed their understanding of the loan Hofmann received from First Interstate Bank… When the reporter suggested the church had a greed to repay the loan, Hinckley declared the church had not agreed, and would not agree, to pay it.”
    “These statements apparently surprised some officials at the bank, who had seen the loan from their perspective as being guaranteed either by Pinnock personally or by the church. Thursday morning, October 24, the bank chairman telephoned Pinnock and voiced this view… Oaks and Pinnock met to discuss the matter. Pinnock explained the telephone call he had received. Though he had not signed any kind of loan agreement, the bank officials said the only reason they made the loan was that Pinnock had asked for it. Sometime during Pinnock’s interaction with the bank, one of its officials had asked about security for the loan…
    “While assuring bank officials, Pinnock recalled, he may have said something like ‘We have lots of assets,’ or even ‘I’ve got assets – [the] Church has assets. You’ll be paid.’

    Another interesting point that Jerald Tanner has brought up is that Mark claimed that the original facsimiles 2 & 3 were part of the Mclellin collection and he was holding them back and trying to sell those separately to other buyers. Steve Christensen found out and was very angry because if it was part of the collection he should be getting those as well with the purchase.

    The church is so good at suppressing its history it didn’t even know that it had the majority of the Mclellin collection since 1908 hidden in the First Presidency’s vault.
    Sorry for the long post.

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